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BabyMine
02-15-2012, 09:48 AM
I just can't understand why they need to use lead.

http://gma.yahoo.com/blogs/abc-blogs/popular-lipsticks-contain-lead-according-fda-study-183522172--abc-news.html

Beware of lipstick-stained lips before puckering up this Valentine's Day. They could be covered in lead. Reuters (http://in.reuters.com/article/2012/02/14/lipstick-lead-idINDEE81D0A020120214) first reported that a new study conducted by the FDA found that 400 lipsticks on the market tested positive for lead, according to the Campaign for Safe Cosmetics, a coalition that advocates for safer cosmetics and hygiene products.


Maybelline Color Sensation by L'Oreal USA was the worst-offending lipstick of the group tested, the Campaign said. It contained more than 275 times the amount of lead that was found in the least-contaminated product.
Children's products in the U.S. cannot contain more than 100 parts per million of lead. The highest offending lipstick contained 7.19 parts per million, the group said.


Oddly, the least contaminated was also the least expensive: Wet & Wild Mega Mixers Lip Balm. This just shows that cost is not a factor in lead levels, said Stacy Malkan, co-founder of Campaign for Safe Cosmetics (http://safecosmetics.org/).
"There is no safe level of lead exposure," Malkan told ABCNews.com. "It builds up in the body over time. A little bit every day is adding up and staying with you."
Malkan said women use an average of 12 cosmetic and hygiene products per day.


Lead is a poisonous metal, and it was banned from paint products in the U.S. in 1978. The element is particularly dangerous to young children because it can cause blood and brain disorders in developing bodies.
There are no FDA standards in regulating the amount of chemicals in products, said Malkan. Companies don't even need to know the chemicals that they are putting in their products.


"When these companies are asked about these chemicals, they argue, 'it's legal, so it's OK,'" said Malkan. "That's why we're calling for the FDA to set a standard and give guidance to these companies for the best manufacturing practices."


There is no safe level of lead for children, according to the CDC (http://www.cdc.gov/nceh/lead/). The government agency issued a report that implored companies to keep lead out of their products to prevent exposure to pregnant women and children.
But the FDA seems to disagree. The government agency told Reuters in a statement, "The FDA did not find high levels of lead in lipstick. We developed and tested a method for measuring lead in lipstick and did not find levels that would raise health concerns."


Lipstick is only the latest cosmetic to raise red flags. Kim Anderson, executive director of Ava Anderson Non-Toxic (http://avaandersonnontoxic.com/), a cosmetic line of chemical-free products, said customers should shy away from any product that lists "fragrance" as an ingredient.


"If they're using the word fragrance, that company could be hiding up to 600 chemicals under that word," said Anderson, who advocates for safer cosmetic regulations. "Seventy-five percent of the time, fragrances contain phthalates, a known-carcinogen that causes reproductive issues in the body."


Even perfumes are coming under fire. A proposed bill in New Hampshire would prohibit state employees from spritzing on perfume or cologne before heading to work. The reason? For some people, these fragrances can cause severe allergic reactions. Interestingly, the federal government's Centers for Disease Control and Prevention headquarters enacted a policy in Spring, 2010, which banned employees from wearing fragrances, as well.
"We support such a ban," said Malkan. "As we see more perfumes, we see more people who are sensitive to the fragrances, that can cause headaches, breathing difficulties and asthma. The fact that the CDC has a fragrance-free policy should be an indicator of something."

The Campaign for Safe Cosmetics is launching the Kiss Lead Goodbye contest Tuesday, when women are encouraged to submit video submissions to hear what they have to say to cosmetic giants that put lead in their products. Learn more at www.SafeCosmetics.org/kissleadgoobye (http://www.safecosmetics.org/kissleadgoobye)

lizzywednesday
02-15-2012, 10:15 AM
The short answer, as I understand it, is that lead is a cheap fixative for pigment that's been used for thousands of years in cosmetics.

I know we've got chemists on here who can confirm or deny this statement, so please, if I've missed something, expand/clarify/correct at will!

It makes me uncomfortable enough not to use lipstick on a regular basis.

The latter part of your quoted text about fragrances also gives me pause - I've moved seats on the train (causing a hubbub and trying, rudely, to embarrass the person who offended me - it was not a shining moment for me, I admit), coughed, sneezed and nearly thrown up due to fragrances in cosmetics, hairspray and, of course, perfumes.

I've long been vocal (without much recourse) about fragrance-free environments at work, especially in close-quarters settings, so it's nice to see them getting some air-time.

wellyes
02-15-2012, 10:25 AM
I've heard that before, I know this is a new study but I doubt it is news to anyone who studies cosmetics, there has always been lead in lipstick. I don't wear lipstick, but I really don't think this is a big deal. Women who wear oodles of it daily for decades do not have lead issues.

The fragrance thing, I'd *love* to see that pushed more, but the entire hair care and skin care and cosmetics industries would take huge hits if that ever became a popular sentiment. Bath & Body Works and Yankee Candle would go out of business, as a start (both the same kind of not-really-good-for-the-world fragrance).

amldaley
02-15-2012, 12:30 PM
The latter part of your quoted text about fragrances also gives me pause - I've moved seats on the train (causing a hubbub and trying, rudely, to embarrass the person who offended me - it was not a shining moment for me, I admit), coughed, sneezed and nearly thrown up due to fragrances in cosmetics, hairspray and, of course, perfumes.

I've long been vocal (without much recourse) about fragrance-free environments at work, especially in close-quarters settings, so it's nice to see them getting some air-time.

YOU AND ME BOTH. The smell of PineSol actually makes me woozy. I have to cross to the other side of the mall to pass by Bath and Body works and Abercrombie. When I was pregnant with DD1, the nurse had to take me to a seperate waiting area for an appointment I had right after Christmas when everyone was wearing the new perfumes they received.

People think I am overeacting or I am being a grouch or making a fuss. But if I am more than 3 feet from you and I can smell you, you have too much of *something* on.

daisymommy
02-15-2012, 04:03 PM
Women who wear oodles of it daily for decades do not have lead issues.



And we know this how? Are they all getting testing for lead? Everyone and their mother, sister, and best friend either has cancer or something else wrong with them, and no one thinks about these things when they question why.

lizzywednesday
02-15-2012, 04:18 PM
YOU AND ME BOTH. The smell of PineSol actually makes me woozy. I have to cross to the other side of the mall to pass by Bath and Body works and Abercrombie. When I was pregnant with DD1, the nurse had to take me to a seperate waiting area for an appointment I had right after Christmas when everyone was wearing the new perfumes they received.

People think I am overeacting or I am being a grouch or making a fuss. But if I am more than 3 feet from you and I can smell you, you have too much of *something* on.

Bleach smell is an instant trip to puke-ville for me.

If you're overreacting, they haven't met my stepfather. There are certain trigger scents for him that will result in severe anxiety and stomach pain attacks, making visits painful if they trip the circuits ... so I gave up scented anything a LONG time ago.

I had to get DH to switch his deodorant, shampoo and shower gel during the worst of my morning sickness with DD or else he couldn't sleep next to me. As it is, we keep unscented liquid detergent in the house so if he's washing towels or sheets, he needs to use the unscented detergent on the load so I don't go nuts.

I've used unscented detergent for so long anything with a fragrance gives me asthma-like symptoms in addition to headaches. (Walking past the detergent aisle in the grocery store or Target is often enough to give me migraines.)

And I nearly killed a woman at work who sprayed fragrance IN HER CUBICLE several days at the office. But ... I digress ...

lowrioh
02-15-2012, 05:00 PM
And we know this how? Are they all getting testing for lead? Everyone and their mother, sister, and best friend either has cancer or something else wrong with them, and no one thinks about these things when they question why.

Actually there is a very large surveillance program headed by CDC and the States.
http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/topics/ABLES/publication.html

daisymommy
02-15-2012, 05:09 PM
Huh. Very interesting!
I didn't read through all of that, but do you know if they only test for lead if elevated levels are suspected due to symptoms? or based upon the person's environment? or do most blood tests for all kinds of other illness also test for lead as well?

lowrioh
02-15-2012, 08:49 PM
Huh. Very interesting!
I didn't read through all of that, but do you know if they only test for lead if elevated levels are suspected due to symptoms? or based upon the person's environment? or do most blood tests for all kinds of other illness also test for lead as well?

I don't know the details, but I had heard about the monitoring program while I was in an unrelated meeting.

sasha
02-16-2012, 01:24 PM
Children's products in the U.S. cannot contain more than 100 parts per million of lead. The highest offending lipstick contained 7.19 parts per million, the group said.

This part of the quote doesn't make sense to me. If it is true, then I don't understand the alarm.

DietCokeLover
02-16-2012, 01:38 PM
Smells can send me into a killer migraine. DH will forget every now and then and wear cologne or something. I could kill him!
However, one of the worst for me, is that our church has a coffee bar in it and people will bring their coffee into the sanctuary. I've had to leave church several times due to sitting next to someone drinking coffee.

lowrioh
02-16-2012, 01:41 PM
This part of the quote doesn't make sense to me. If it is true, then I don't understand the alarm.

My guess is that they are assuming that when worn, lipstick is ingested daily (long term exposure) and that for children's products, the intended use does not lead to ingestion.

wellyes
02-16-2012, 01:53 PM
This part of the quote doesn't make sense to me. If it is true, then I don't understand the alarm.
The fact that under 100 PPM is allowed in children's products doesn't mean 100 PPM is safe, because no amount of lead is safe. It just means that's the compromise between manufacturers and the gov't, based on studies showing that the amount of lead that has been shown to cause harm is far above 100 PPM. Does that make sense? "Has not been proven to cause harm" does not equal "does not cause harm".

Personally, I am unconcerned about very trace amounts of lead. I do avoid some chemicals (we're a no nonstick family, for example) but occasional lipstick doesn't register on my radar screen as a problem. Even if the kids get into it. Actually just yesterday DS found a tube and gave himself a lovely, big pink streak in his hair.