I'm just curious- In a recent thread you stated that you felt that getting a child's ears pierced was child abuse, but in an earlier thread you stated that if your Cocoa-to-be was a boy you would have him circumcised. Do you still feel that way? If so, I am just wondering how you can view getting two quick holes punched through cartilage as being more "abusive" than the act of circumcising a baby boy. Have you ever seen a circumsicion or even photographic stills from a procedure? It's definitely not something that you'd happen to glance over and see while munching on Sbarro at your local mall. These two views of yours don't seem consistent with one another.