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Twoboos

03-02-2011, 11:27 AM

I'll admit, I watched almost all of the interview last night on 20/20. :bag And I'll tell you, he's nuttier than a fruitcake. I cannot believe he passed the drug test after the interview, he was acting so strungout! And mean, and angry, and obnoxious. Jittery, not able to be still, barely making any sense.

He looked absolutely terrible, even DH commented on how much he's aged in the past 7/8 years. They showed footage from when he had just married Denise Richards in 2003 and it looks like he had aged 20 years since then. Hard livin' will do that to you I guess.

And he's living with his "Goddesses" or porn stars, and they are helping to raise his kids... ugh. Although I think heard on the radio this morning that the kids were removed from the house. (Lots of racket from DDs so I'm not sure on this.)

Then he was on a local radio station this morning, which I couldn't believe (3hr time difference), he must be on a massive campaign defending himself!

I told DH I wouldn't be surprised if he died this year. It was pretty disturbing.

ETA: Looks like the kids were removed last night. Yeesh. What a mess.
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20470200,00.html

If you watched, what did you think?

boolady

03-02-2011, 11:30 AM

turtledove

03-02-2011, 11:39 AM

I haven't watched any of the interviews (but have read everything on TMZ). A friend of mine posted this on Facebook, which I thought was pretty amusing.

Charlie Sheen v Muammar Gaddafi: whose line is it anyway?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/quiz/2011/mar/01/muammar-gaddafi-charlie-sheen-quiz

trcy

03-02-2011, 11:40 AM

I watched a few bits and pieces of it...kind of like a train wreck. I felt uncomfortable for him.

JBaxter

03-02-2011, 11:41 AM

Kymberley

03-02-2011, 11:43 AM

I watched the first 30 minutes or so, and changed the channel. He's fried. He may not be using (unlikely), but his brain has taken one too many hits, that's for sure. He won't get help, his ego is too enormous for that. It's sad. He has a god-like complex it seems. And is in complete denial. I feel for his kids.

caleymama

03-02-2011, 11:46 AM

I didn't watch that, but having seen some of the footage from the Today show interview and other recent things he's done, it seems to me that he's been self-medicating with illegal drugs and alcohol for mental health issues for a long time. Something is clearly not right, clean drug test or not. He needs more than rehab.

:yeahthat:

I have mixed feelings - he's certainly made his bed, so to speak, but he seems so far gone at this point that it's sad.

That said, I saw this on FB and thought it was funny:
Mash-Up of his rants with therapy session on his show (with therapist Jane Lynch!) (http://www.slate.com/id/2286995/)

liamsmom

03-02-2011, 11:51 AM

Its like a train wreck. I feel bad for his kids

:yeahthat: I haven't watched anything specifically, but it's hard to ignore. I feel bad for his family watching this spiral out of control. I also feel bad for the 300 crew members of Two and a Half Men who are now out of work due to his behavior.

I don't know the particulars of his drug testing, but cocaine clears out of the system really quickly. Like in 24-48 hours. So, it's "possible" for him to legitimately pass a drug test, even after a huge binge.

ha98ed14

03-02-2011, 11:55 AM

Charlie Sheen v Muammar Gaddafi: whose line is it anyway?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/quiz/2011/mar/01/muammar-gaddafi-charlie-sheen-quiz

I took this quiz and got most of them wrong, but I was shocked that it was Sheen that said that 9/11 was a work of fiction!

My other reaction (from watching clips of the Today interview on MSNBC) is that his first problem is that he refuses to see that he has a problem. He spent a lot of time ranting against AA, and I know some people object to it because of the "Higher Power", but I think anyone would agree that the first step to beating an addiction is acknowledging the problem and he could not do that. He lacks any kind of humility that it takes to get better. He said he always had a plan and was executing it. Who plans a train wreck? I agree, he's toasted.

egoldber

03-02-2011, 11:58 AM

I think it's pretty clear that he is psychotic and delusional at this point. What a sad, sad, thing for his family. :(

ha98ed14

03-02-2011, 12:01 PM

I think it's pretty clear that he is psychotic and delusional at this point. What a sad, sad, thing for his family. :(

Does anyone know the clinical definition of psychosis? (Totally not disputing you; just wondering what it takes to be classified as psychotic...)

egoldber

03-02-2011, 12:04 PM

Substance abuse psychotic disorder is a recognized medical diagnosis:

http://www.minddisorders.com/Py-Z/Substance-induced-psychotic-disorder.html

larig

03-02-2011, 12:04 PM

This is so inappropriate, and I do feel sorry for his family, BUT this was too funny not to share...

it's John Stamos' twitter response to rumors that he has been slated to replace him on the show.

"Contrary to the rumors, I am not replacing Charlie Sheen on Two and Half Men," he wrote. "However, Martin Sheen has asked me to be his son."
:hysterical:

lizzywednesday

03-02-2011, 12:05 PM

My friends have been collecting the nuttier quotes.

Like the "I wasn't 'taking' [the cocaine], I had to pay for it" line that made the rounds online elsewhere the other day.

It's sad, it's sick, it's trainwreck media and it makes you appreciate how much work his publicist was probably doing before this all hit the fan.

artvandalay

03-02-2011, 12:09 PM

I'm only going on what I remember from Psych 101 but he seems like he is manic lately...I know that one of the interviewers asked him if he was bi-polar, and he laughed, and said "no, I am BI-WINNING"

I got a chuckle out of that. But yeah, the whole thing is bad. I have a feeling things aren't going to end well for him, but he seems to have 9 lives, so who knows.

Also... this is funny:

The Charlie Sheen quote generator

http://www.livethesheendream.com/

saw this this morning. Just keep clicking his head.

artvandalay

03-02-2011, 12:14 PM

it makes you appreciate how much work his publicist was probably doing before this all hit the fan.

Oh god yes.. his publicist was probably the hardest working guy in Hollywood

Twoboos

03-02-2011, 12:26 PM

Its like a train wreck. I feel bad for his kids

He won't get help, his ego is too enormous for that. It's sad. He has a god-like complex it seems. And is in complete denial. I feel for his kids.

Just had to :yeahthat: to both of these.

wendibird22

03-02-2011, 12:27 PM

Definitely a train wreck. One station (ABC I think) interviewed Dr. Drew who said that Sheen is showing clear signs of bipolar disorder and that his current actions are very clearly manic episodes...the whole self grandeur, feeling invincible, claiming he's on top of the world, etc. So, it is possible he is drug/alcohol free and yet still unhinged. It's all very sad and I hope he is able to get the help he needs.

AnnieW625

03-02-2011, 12:28 PM

I think it's pretty clear that he is psychotic and delusional at this point. What a sad, sad, thing for his family. :(

My thoughts exactly. I hope he and his family somehow get through this.

ijopint

03-02-2011, 12:32 PM

he is a nut job!! too bad for a guy who came from a talented family.
drugs and alcohol got into him and he is going down...I always remember him on Platoon one of my fav movie. tskk.. the kids two beautiful girls and the twins I hope he can still recover..for himself and for the children.

Fairy

03-02-2011, 12:50 PM

I think it's pretty clear that he is psychotic and delusional at this point. What a sad, sad, thing for his family. :(

Honestly, it seems to me from teh tiny clips I saw that he is literally not sane at the moment. Bi-polar is definitely possible. Some other diagnosable mental illness. I don't know. I saw the babies there in a clip and wondered what the hell kind of mother is allowing her boys to be there like this? I need context, and I don't have any. I missed the 20/20. Is this posted somewhere to watch in total? I'll check the ABC website.

Fairy

03-02-2011, 12:52 PM

What is it with celebrities going cuckoo for cocoa puffs lately? Britney, Mel, and now Charlie. Good lord.

elektra

03-02-2011, 01:22 PM

I saw the babies there in a clip and wondered what the hell kind of mother is allowing her boys to be there like this?

Trainwreck, mental illness, sad for the kids, all of the above.
Fairy, I read last night that the Charlie Sheen had taken the kids without her permission a week or so ago and she was trying to get them back but he would not let her near them. That is why CPS (or whatever agency) had to come in and remove them from his home.
So I don't think she was allowing it per se.

ha98ed14

03-02-2011, 01:22 PM

Here's a link (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1362226/Charlie-Sheens-message-Brooke-Mueller-accuses-drugs-bad-parenting.html) to the latest. The kids were removed last night. What is doubly sick to me is that their mother, to whom emergency custody was given, was just on a trip to the Bahamas with his 2 gfs. Sick. Poor, poor kids.

elliput

03-02-2011, 01:27 PM

I didn't watch. The loon isn't worth my time.

Globetrotter

03-02-2011, 01:27 PM

He is clearly very ill, whether or not he is using drugs. To me, it seems like underlying mental illness, in addition to the drug addiction. I've only seen one episode of his show, but I didn't get what the big deal was and why it was so highly rated. Regardless, he is terribly irresponsible to take away jobs from the other cast and crew. Sad, sad story..

KDsMommy

03-02-2011, 01:43 PM

He's a real fruitcake.

Unfortunately, his actions are quite similar to my soon-to-be ex H. Completely out of touch with reality, God complex and all.

lhafer

03-02-2011, 01:53 PM

What is it with celebrities going cuckoo for cocoa puffs lately? Britney, Mel, and now Charlie. Good lord.

It makes me feel like I did when we all watch Britney spiral out of control. In her case, I truly believe it was post-partum depression/psychosis. But it's like no one around her could see it and let her spin further and further down.

Clearly something is wrong with Sheen. And someone in his family needs to take action - even against his will. Or else I feel we will see a breaking story about his OD, or suicide, etc.

Mel - no words there.

Lindsey Lohan - she also needs some better help than she's getting.

egoldber

03-02-2011, 01:56 PM

And someone in his family needs to take action - even against his will

Honestly, it really isn't that easy to hospitalize/commit someone against their will. You can pretty easily hold someone for 24-48 hours, but if they are not deemed to pose an immediate threat to themselves or others and they are not (currently) breaking any laws, then I think it is almost impossible to hold them.

Twoboos

03-02-2011, 02:02 PM

What is it with celebrities going cuckoo for cocoa puffs lately? Britney, Mel, and now Charlie. Good lord.

Charlie mentioned a couple of other celebs who had reached out to him - including Sean Penn and Mel. (Wish I could remember the others, two more crazies.) But I thought, "Oh, all the Nut Jobs ban together to support each other, how nice!"

brittone2

03-02-2011, 02:03 PM

Honestly, it really isn't that easy to hospitalize/commit someone against their will. You can pretty easily hold someone for 24-48 hours, but if they are not deemed to pose an immediate threat to themselves or others and they are not (currently) breaking any laws, then I think it is almost impossible to hold them.

I don't even know how easy it is to get a hold, IME. We've been through this with a family member who is always, always, always able to schmooze his way out of it. (he's an ex-cop fwiw). He would always manage to use the right words to get out of it ("attention seeking behavior" vs. "a real suicide threat" for example). Maybe I'm biased through my experiences but I agree it isn't easy to hospitalize/commit someone at all (which is both good and bad for obvious reasons) but my family's situation has made me feel like even a hold is all but impossible (especially w/ certain types of individuals. I imagine a celebrity has a whole team who can make sure it all gets smoothed over...). We've BTDT more than a few times and in different states, etc. and still were unable to really get this individual help :(

Fairy

03-02-2011, 03:38 PM

Trainwreck, mental illness, sad for the kids, all of the above.
Fairy, I read last night that the Charlie Sheen had taken the kids without her permission a week or so ago and she was trying to get them back but he would not let her near them. That is why CPS (or whatever agency) had to come in and remove them from his home.
So I don't think she was allowing it per se.

Ah, gotcha. Thanks for explaining that, cuz I was just puzzled, cuz Mueller seems mostly normal.

I saw the interview in total --> http://abc.go.com/watch/2020/SH559026/VD55115949/2020-301-charlie-sheen-interview. I'm not sure what he has. But there is no question in my mind that he is altered. Look at him in 1999 and in other public situations, and look at him here, and there is just no argument that he most definitely has a problem. Maybe it's alcohol, maybe it's drugs, and maybe he's got something diagnosable, but the guy needs help in the worst way. He did look bad to me, but I think alot of it is that he's just simply unclean. He had worked out during the interview, did he shower after? Cuz that looks like he's just not showered and his hair isn't clean. His pallor is kinda normal, I suppose. But as far as having aged, that is for sure. Hard livin' aging, not I've grown older aging. This poor guy is gonna implode if he's not treated immediately.

ETA --> And I want to add that I don't think he's an anti-semite. Yes, he used Chaim, but that seems to me to be part of his non-sequitur affect. There were moments in that interview that seemed far far more lucid than others, and I do believe him when he says he's not an anti-semite. As for the drug test, he peed in a cup. Easy to pass that. Let's do a hair follilcle test and see how far THAT gets him, eh?

almostmom

03-02-2011, 03:44 PM

This is my favorite quote:

"It's perfect. It's awesome. Every day is just filled with just wins. All we do is put wins in the record books … We win so radically in our underwear before our first cup of coffee, it's scary. People say it's lonely at the top, but I sure like the view."

Definitely sad. But I'll take humor today.

Gena

03-02-2011, 03:48 PM

I think the whole situation is very sad. I feel bad for his kids as well as for his father and siblings, since it sounds like Charlie has alienated himself from them. I even do feel sad for Charlie himself - it's always sad when someone with such talent is consumed by substance abuse, mental illness, and his own ego.

I do think he has some kind of mental illness going on - maybe bipolar and maybe something else. It seems that he has been self-medicating with alcohol and drugs for quite some time.

I also was shocked by how terrible he looked in the interview. DH and I wondered how much make-up he has to wear on set for the role of an attractive playboy.

Twoboos

03-02-2011, 03:48 PM

Howard Stern was on The Daily Show on Monday and said Charlie Sheen was going to be on his show today. THAT I would have listened to... the two of them going at it, against CBS, and Les Moonves (sp?). Oh yah.

I'm sure there are a ton of Sheen-isms from that interview!

pinkmomagain

03-02-2011, 04:20 PM

What is it with celebrities going cuckoo for cocoa puffs lately? Britney, Mel, and now Charlie. Good lord.

Unfortunately, I believe alot of very, very creative people deal with mental health issues (ADHD, anxiety, depression, bipolar, etc.) and many self-medicate. I think that's why we see so much of it in our actors, musicians, artists, etc. (in addition to them obviously being in the spotlight). I think it's also harder to get some of these people the help they need due to lifestyle, handlers, egos, etc.

Fairy

03-02-2011, 04:26 PM

Unfortunately, I believe alot of very, very creative people deal with mental health issues (ADHD, anxiety, depression, bipolar, etc.) and many self-medicate. I think that's why we see so much of it in our actors, musicians, artists, etc. (in addition to them obviously being in the spotlight). I think it's also harder to get some of these people the help they need due to lifestyle, handlers, egos, etc.

I think you're right. And I forgot to add the current granddaddy who is surely going back to jail one way or another now, LiLo.

vludmilla

03-02-2011, 09:06 PM

it seems to me that he's been self-medicating with illegal drugs and alcohol for mental health issues for a long time.

I agree. I don't think he seemed particularly high on drugs during the interview. I though it much more likely that he was suffering from an untreated mental illness.

Fairy

03-02-2011, 09:12 PM

Charlie mentioned a couple of other celebs who had reached out to him - including Sean Penn and Mel. (Wish I could remember the others, two more crazies.) But I thought, "Oh, all the Nut Jobs ban together to support each other, how nice!"

I noticed, also, that it was the ones mainly who were also public nuts at one time. I wondered if in all seriousness they might actually have words of wisdom from having been there and now seeing their own insanity. A couple of them struck me as fitting that bill, but I forget who.

vludmilla

03-02-2011, 09:17 PM

As for the drug test, he peed in a cup. Easy to pass that. Let's do a hair follilcle test and see how far THAT gets him, eh?

Seriously. The urine test is virtually worthless to me. I have had way too many kids that I see for counseling pee in a cup and come up clean when I KNOW they are using regularly. If I ever had then need to drug test a family member (and I certainly hope I never do), it would be hair follicle test all the way.

vludmilla

03-02-2011, 09:26 PM

I don't even know how easy it is to get a hold, IME. We've been through this with a family member who is always, always, always able to schmooze his way out of it. (he's an ex-cop fwiw). He would always manage to use the right words to get out of it ("attention seeking behavior" vs. "a real suicide threat" for example). Maybe I'm biased through my experiences but I agree it isn't easy to hospitalize/commit someone at all (which is both good and bad for obvious reasons) but my family's situation has made me feel like even a hold is all but impossible (especially w/ certain types of individuals. I imagine a celebrity has a whole team who can make sure it all gets smoothed over...). We've BTDT more than a few times and in different states, etc. and still were unable to really get this individual help :(

I agree 100%. I have facilitated the hospitalization of too many people in my current and prior professonal roles. It is indeed difficult, however, to even get a hold, let alone an actual hospitalization, for someone who is not floridly psychotic and doesn't want to be there. Most people know what to say to "pass" the screening for hospitalization.

vludmilla

03-02-2011, 09:28 PM

Corie

03-02-2011, 09:29 PM

Ah, gotcha. Thanks for explaining that, cuz I was just puzzled, cuz Mueller seems mostly normal.

For some reason, I thought his ex-wife, Brooke Mueller had a couple
arrests in her past. A DUI and cocaine possession?

KLD313

03-02-2011, 09:32 PM

I think the drugs fried his brain and withdrawls can also make you act crazy. Sad for his kids, especially the twins because their mother doesn't sound much better.

citymama

03-03-2011, 12:41 AM

Is there already a Charlie the loco Sheen thread going? If not, here's one of my favorite comments on the Sheen fiasco, courtesy John Stamos:

"Contrary to the runors, I am not replacing Charlie Sheen on 'Two and a Half Men.' However, Martin Sheen has asked me to be his son."
:hysterical:

crl

03-03-2011, 12:50 AM

Here you go.

http://www.windsorpeak.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=391176&highlight=Sheen

Catherine

citymama

03-03-2011, 01:55 AM

That's too funny - TwoBoos and I even had the same subject line! :rotflmao:

That's what happens when you view BBB on iPhone exclusively...you miss a lot of things!

tiapam

03-03-2011, 02:19 AM

I agree. I don't think he seemed particularly high on drugs during the interview. I though it much more likely that he was suffering from an untreated mental illness.

I haven't seen much, just bits on the news and some pics on the web, but what I do see is as much physical changes as mental. I am sure it will come as no surprise to anyone that I think he may have an overactive thyroid. His appearance, his hypersexuality, paranoia, grandiosity, all fit. In particular I see changes in his eyes, eyelids and hair, and I believe he has lost weight and I really don't see him as someone who works out. I just googled images of Emilio and Martin and their looks are all over the map, they go from too skinny, to a llittle puffy and their eyes go back and forth, too.

The more I research it and experience it myself, I see untreated thyroid disease as premature aging. That's why so many people are undiagnosed - it looks a lot like what we consider typical signs of aging. His mental state is pretty bad, but his body is right behind. I have a theory that since thyroid disease affects mind and body, some people with it will look like crap and be pretty sane, while others will look like crap and get pretty depressed or manic. A lot of people will even look okay or even better for a while (think weight loss) but it will always show up eventually if it does not self resolve or get treated. And I think that all depends on the body and mind that you start with.

giavila

03-03-2011, 02:28 AM

I do think it is very sad and of course like most I think it's a combination of mental illness and drugs, but I do find the previous post very interesting...

So back to funny.. I love this... it's from Jimmy Kimmel a couple of nights ago.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTEuLeh5JOI

kijip

03-03-2011, 03:00 AM

Aside from magazine covers I have not seen anything with Charlie Sheen in it since...wait for it...Major League. I will also fess up to rewatching Major League all too often, my brother and I have about 6 baseball movies from our childhood that we see every few years 1-2 at a time.

It would seem the dude has a pattern of physically abusing his partners too. So while I am not happy anyone is mentally ill I can not feel all that sorry for him.

Remember that chronic drug use can cause ongoing and permanent damage so even if he is not high now it could still be a result of drug use.

TwinFoxes

03-03-2011, 07:15 AM

"Contrary to the runors, I am not replacing Charlie Sheen on 'Two and a Half Men.' However, Martin Sheen has asked me to be his son."
:hysterical:

That's mean...hilarious, but mean. :)

Twoboos

03-03-2011, 08:31 AM

That's too funny - TwoBoos and I even had the same subject line! :rotflmao:

Great minds! Or wait, maybe that should be Great Celebrity Gossip Minds... :wink2:

clc053103

03-03-2011, 08:51 AM

As a side note, I heart John Stamos!!!!

JBaxter

03-03-2011, 09:08 AM

http://www.windsorpeak.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=391176

I'll bump the original

JBaxter

03-03-2011, 09:10 AM

Its sad they placed those children with Brook. She admitted to "slipping" ( not saying what she did) as of last weekend. I think they need a neutral party as a primary residence

elektra

03-03-2011, 12:01 PM

Its sad they placed those children with Brook. She admitted to "slipping" ( not saying what she did) as of last weekend. I think they need a neutral party as a primary residence

Yes while Charlie Sheen may have taken the kids without her permission, she really doesn't seem like an ideal parent either. I don't know much but the pictures of her posing with her exH (CS) and his 2 new girlfriends was gross. On what planet does that make any kind of sense?

larig

03-03-2011, 12:05 PM

citymama, I posted the same stamos comment in the other thread. Nice to know someone else on the board has the same slightly inappropriate sense of humor I do! :waving4:

arivecchi

03-03-2011, 12:06 PM

Yes while Charlie Sheen may have taken the kids without her permission, she really doesn't seem like an ideal parent either. I don't know much but the pictures of her posing with her exH (CS) and his 2 new girlfriends was gross. On what planet does that make any kind of sense?I agree. Those poor kids. They have two incredibly unstable parents, to put it nicely.

He does seem to exhibit manic behavior.

elektra

03-03-2011, 12:20 PM

That's too funny - TwoBoos and I even had the same subject line! :rotflmao:

That's what happens when you view BBB on iPhone exclusively...you miss a lot of things!

It really is quite classic that you both had e same subject line. :)

Fairy

03-03-2011, 12:32 PM

For some reason, I thought his ex-wife, Brooke Mueller had a couple
arrests in her past. A DUI and cocaine possession?

Its sad they placed those children with Brook. She admitted to "slipping" ( not saying what she did) as of last weekend. I think they need a neutral party as a primary residence

Yes while Charlie Sheen may have taken the kids without her permission, she really doesn't seem like an ideal parent either. I don't know much but the pictures of her posing with her exH (CS) and his 2 new girlfriends was gross. On what planet does that make any kind of sense?

Yes to all. I read a little more about Brooke, and yeah, not ideal. I don't get that whole picture posing thing either. The whole situation is wack. Oy vey. I feel for those poor poor kids.

dec756

03-03-2011, 12:41 PM

yea...i dont think his drug test was ethically really clean..haha

Fairy

03-08-2011, 01:14 PM

I'm resurrecting this, as I am just really saddened by the latest on him. HIs web rants are so manic and so clearly mentally unstable, I just have to ask, who is going to help this man? I know he's 45yo and that if he doesn't want help no one can make him. But there comes a point where you're too altered to make your own good decisions. I'm sure his family has been thru this time and again, but he is so clearly disturbed right now. I really hope someone with some ability to help him steps in and takes control. Cuz his porn stars are not doing him any favors allowing this to go on. Hoping to God his father or Emilio or someone else can help him.

pinkmomagain

03-08-2011, 01:23 PM

I heard a psychiatrist on Barabara Walter's radio show last nite say that in his opinion Charlie Sheen is exhibiting signs of bipolar disorder. Things like the disjointed rantings, grandiose ideas, nervous energy, look alot like the "manic" state that is part of that illness.

It's very sad.

arivecchi

03-08-2011, 01:39 PM

While he is definitely out there, the more I listen to him, I think he is not as crazy as we all think he is. Just this morning I heard on Howard that he cannot comment anymore on their show per his lawyer's instructions. So he does have some idea that he needs to dial back a bit. I also think that a lot of people in Hollywood are egomaniacs, so he is really not that different from a lot of people there. He is just letting his freak flag fly in a more visible manner. In a way, he has never been bigger than he is now. I do wonder whether the increased notoriety will pay off or just fizzle.

Other than that, he is an adult man. I am not sure what you can really do. He has to decide to seek treatment himself and is free to do as he wishes unless he physically hurts others with his actions (or threatens to do so).

brittone2

03-08-2011, 01:41 PM

Fairy

03-08-2011, 02:01 PM

Yeah, as discussed in one of the Charlie threads, it is very, very hard to compel someone to get help, even when there is a diagnosed mental illness involved. Very difficult to get a psychiatric evaluation hold, and almost impossible to force him into treatment/therapy. His family may be doing all they can, honestly. Particularly when there are handlers and folks involved with a stake in his visibility, because they can be sure he knows the right words to avoid a hold, etc. even if his family attempts to get him help.

This I do agree with. That's the problem is that the family who is very likely trying to get him help -- I don't think this is all happening in a vaccum -- may not be able to get past Charlie's "people," whose best interest it is to let him continue as he is, cuz the minute he clears his head, they're at risk. They know this. There's no way they don't know this, these parasites. I just wish someone could get a court order and say, look, my X is not well, they're mentally unstable and unable to make good choices for themselves,and that take him to a place where he can be treated. These things can happen. He needs them to happen.

And watching the clips I've seen of his Internet rants, he seems completely unhinged to me. No one rational behaves that way and tapes it for all of the Internet to see. Especially given his interviews where he's clearly normal.

KDsMommy

03-08-2011, 02:03 PM

He is clearly very, very disturbed. I really hope he gets some serious help, soon. I pray that his children are NOT returned to him until he gets himself under control.

brittone2

03-08-2011, 02:08 PM

I just wish someone could get a court order and say, look, my X is not well, they're mentally unstable and unable to make good choices for themselves,and that take him to a place where he can be treated. These things can happen. He needs them to happen.

Very, very tough to do in reality though :( Even without his entourage, it is very difficult to accomplish this. BTDT with a family member :(

Fairy

03-08-2011, 02:10 PM

Very, very tough to do in reality though :( Even without his entourage, it is very difficult to accomplish this. BTDT with a family member :(

I know you're right. So terribly sad.

lmh2402

03-08-2011, 02:11 PM

in my totally unprofessional opinion, he does seem to have some sort of unchecked mental illness.

does anyone know why his nose looks so distorted?

he seriously looks mangled. :thumbsdown:

brittone2

03-08-2011, 02:12 PM

I know you're right. So terribly sad.

It is. I see many similarities between his behavior and what I've experienced with a bipolar family member (with substance abuse issues coexisting w/ the mental illness). It is a helpless feeling to watch it unfold before your eyes.

arivecchi

03-08-2011, 02:12 PM

brittone2

03-08-2011, 02:14 PM

The poor twin boys are in trouble as their mom is an addict too. At least the girls have their mom.

I am not an expert by any means, but my sister has bipolar disorder. She does not constantly exhibit manic behavior. In fact, most of the time she is depressed, so my totally uneducated guess is that it is something else. Maybe a combination of drugs and some sort of mental affliction. From my experience with my sister, I do know that you cannot force an adult into treatment unless they are a clear danger to themselves or others.

It has been a while since I've looked into this but I think there are different types of bipolar. IIRC one is more depressive type, kwim?

I'd have to find a link.

Hell, in my family's situation the individual was a clear danger to himself, but because he worked in law enforcement at one point in his life, always, always, always knew how to talk his way out of it even though he was literally putting a gun to his head minutes before. On several occasions we were unable to get him any help at all.

eta: bipolar 2 types don't get the more extreme "manic" episodes apparently. Not sure if that fits with your sister.

http://www.webmd.com/bipolar-disorder/guide/bipolar-2-disorder

overview of bipolar types:
http://www.webmd.com/bipolar-disorder/guide/bipolar-disorder-forms

eta 2: there is also mixed bipolar
http://www.webmd.com/bipolar-disorder/guide/mixed-bipolar-disorder

jenfromnj

03-08-2011, 02:15 PM

I just feel so awful for his children. I was reading yesterday (from the very reputable US Weekly, or maybe it was OK Magazine) that Denise Richards has said their daughters are being harassed and tormented at school, since they're in school with kids who are old enough to hear what's going on and are giving them a very hard time about it. That's just heartbreaking. And his poor twin boys--neither of their parents seem remotely stable--DS is almost exactly their age so I really feel awful for them especially.

Fairy

03-08-2011, 02:26 PM

I had no idea until a couple years ago that there are two types, yes. My awareness was that when you're bi-polar, when you're altered, you're really nutty, and can be truly insane. Well, a girl I know had been on meds ever since I'd known here, and I knew she had depression episodes, but none since i'd known her, and no one said bi-polar. She lost a baby at 16-24 weeks (the story is different depending on who you talk to), and she's never ever been the same since. That was seven years ago. But at the time, she went into a low that was severly manic. And her husband told us recently that she's bi-polar, and after the miscarriage they had a very hard time getting her meds right. She was never violent or nutty or scattered or all over the place, but cried 24/7. For weeks.

Anyway, I had no idea there were different types until this happened -- really until after it happened when he told us. Mental illness is so misunderstood and unknown by people who aren't impacted by it directly. That includes me.