What does the finger prick feel like?

[amldaley]

I have to do a week long blood sugar test. Apparently, I am some sort of freak of nature that fails the one hour, passes the three hour, but still shows all the signs of GD including a big baby & excess amniotic fluid. She went from about 50th% to 91% in three weeks :thumbsdown:

Now I have to do a week long finger prick test.

I am fine with the diet.

But the finger prick scares the crap outta me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Any words of wisdom? Care to tell me if it really hurts or not?

[mommylamb]

Don't be scared. I'm doing it now (in fact, I just did it 15 minutes ago). It's not bad. The meter is pretty easy to work. My problem is that between the finger pricks, and the insane amount of times I wash my hands every day--before finger pricks, before I eat, every time I pee (which is a lot)-- my hands are really getting dry and cracked and lotion doesn't always help. But the pricks themselves are not such a big deal.

I'm the opposite of you. My baby is measuring totally normal growth, but I failed the 3 hour. I'm just starting to get the hang of the diet. It's not as easy as it sounds at first, at least it isn't for me. In order to keep my numbers to where they should be, I have to eat my meals quickly and then eat nothing else until I test 2 hours after the first bite. If I have a longer, more leisurely meal, it means I'm eating too close to when I test my blood and my reading gets messed up. So, for example, on Sunday I ate breakfast at 7 and at 8 had a cup of coffee with a little skim milk and nursed that coffee. When I tested at 9, the coffee with the skim milk had totally f-ed up my reading.

I've also found that I have to be absolutely rigid about keeping to a time table of when I eat meals and snacks, even if I'm not hungry. I was more laissez fair the first few days and my blood readings showed it.

Honestly, I'm having a hard time getting enough carbs into my system. Avoiding them is easy. Getting the right amount without going over or under is harder. I wasn't getting enough carbs at first, and my keytones went crazy, which is toxic for the baby. Happy to report, no keytones this morning.

ETA: The other thing that's a PITA about the finger prick is timing. I have to do it exactly 2 hours after my first bite of food from a meal. At most, I have a 15 minute leeway time. So this means paying a lot more attention than I otherwise would have. But, there are all sorts of things going on in my day, which make this a real pain. In the mornings, I eat at 7, but if I get stuck in traffic, I might not be at work by 9 and I'm reticent to test while in the car (talk about distracted driving, plus not being able to wash my hands). The afternoons are usually fine, but I've already had to step out of meetings/conference calls that I'm actively involved in so that I can test. Evenings are usually fine. And then there's fitting in the time to do some sort of activity after each meal, which really helps keep the numbers down, but is a royal PITA.

[hellokitty]

It's not that bad, it feels like a pinch. It isn't anywhere close to being as painful as an injection. Plus, the fact that you have control over the prick will help. The first few times, you will probably be nervous, but after a while, you just get used to it.

[amldaley]

It's not that bad, it feels like a pinch. It isn't anywhere close to being as painful as an injection. Plus, the fact that you have control over the prick will help. The first few times, you will probably be nervous, but after a while, you just get used to it.

hee hee hee...ok. I have the dirty mind of a 14 year old boy.

Thanks for the encouragement, though. That is what I was worried about was that it would be like giving shots. I had to do lovenox injections for a couple of weeks with DD1 (until they determined I had been misdiagnosed!) and they were aweful!

[amldaley]

Don't be scared. I'm doing it now (in fact, I just did it 15 minutes ago). It's not bad. The meter is pretty easy to work. My problem is that between the finger pricks, and the insane amount of times I wash my hands every day--before finger pricks, before I eat, every time I pee (which is a lot)-- my hands are really getting dry and cracked and lotion doesn't always help. But the pricks themselves are not such a big deal.

I'm the opposite of you. My baby is measuring totally normal growth, but I failed the 3 hour. I'm just starting to get the hang of the diet. It's not as easy as it sounds at first, at least it isn't for me. In order to keep my numbers to where they should be, I have to eat my meals quickly and then eat nothing else until I test 2 hours after the first bite. If I have a longer, more leisurely meal, it means I'm eating too close to when I test my blood and my reading gets messed up. So, for example, on Sunday I ate breakfast at 7 and at 8 had a cup of coffee with a little skim milk and nursed that coffee. When I tested at 9, the coffee with the skim milk had totally f-ed up my reading.

I've also found that I have to be absolutely rigid about keeping to a time table of when I eat meals and snacks, even if I'm not hungry. I was more laissez fair the first few days and my blood readings showed it.

Honestly, I'm having a hard time getting enough carbs into my system. Avoiding them is easy. Getting the right amount without going over or under is harder. I wasn't getting enough carbs at first, and my keytones went crazy, which is toxic for the baby. Happy to report, no keytones this morning.

ETA: The other thing that's a PITA about the finger prick is timing. I have to do it exactly 2 hours after my first bite of food from a meal. At most, I have a 15 minute leeway time. So this means paying a lot more attention than I otherwise would have. But, there are all sorts of things going on in my day, which make this a real pain. In the mornings, I eat at 7, but if I get stuck in traffic, I might not be at work by 9 and I'm reticent to test while in the car (talk about distracted driving, plus not being able to wash my hands). The afternoons are usually fine, but I've already had to step out of meetings/conference calls that I'm actively involved in so that I can test. Evenings are usually fine. And then there's fitting in the time to do some sort of activity after each meal, which really helps keep the numbers down, but is a royal PITA.

Whoa. Ooookaaaay. I actually was on a super healthy diet before getting pregnant and pregnancy cravings have driven me to eat bad food that I don't normally eat. So, nutrition wise, I am ok giving up sugar and big meals, etc. But the timing of the shots? SERIOUSLY? I barely squeeze in two meals a day right now and the idea of having to schedule something to be so precise boggles my mind. Between work (which is never predictable) and a 3 year old and DH being gone....AHHHHHHHH! That is one aspect I had NOT thought of! Thanks for the heads up...I guess I will start thinking about a schedule now!

[Beth24]

I will also add that certain fingers and placeson them are more sensitive than others. You will quickly figure that out! The pricking really isn't bad, it's not like a shot at all.

[hellokitty]

hee hee hee...ok. I have the dirty mind of a 14 year old boy.

Thanks for the encouragement, though. That is what I was worried about was that it would be like giving shots. I had to do lovenox injections for a couple of weeks with DD1 (until they determined I had been misdiagnosed!) and they were aweful!

LMAO, I didn't realize how bad that sounded, now that you've pointed it out. You'll just have to think about what I said while you do this and it will keep you distracted, lol.

[mommylamb]

Whoa. Ooookaaaay. I actually was on a super healthy diet before getting pregnant and pregnancy cravings have driven me to eat bad food that I don't normally eat. So, nutrition wise, I am ok giving up sugar and big meals, etc. But the timing of the shots? SERIOUSLY? I barely squeeze in two meals a day right now and the idea of having to schedule something to be so precise boggles my mind. Between work (which is never predictable) and a 3 year old and DH being gone....AHHHHHHHH! That is one aspect I had NOT thought of! Thanks for the heads up...I guess I will start thinking about a schedule now!

Hopefully you will only have to do it for a week. The diet itself isn't bad at all. It just takes planning. I'm already pretty accustomed to it and I don't feel hungry. I've even stopped craving sweets entirely. The timing stuff is a big adjustment though. At least it is for me. But, you might have a different experience or get different feedback from your nutritionist. My blood sugar seems to be very sensitive to when I eat-- even more so than it is to what I eat. But maybe that's just me.

[amldaley]

Hopefully you will only have to do it for a week. The diet itself isn't bad at all. It just takes planning. I'm already pretty accustomed to it and I don't feel hungry. I've even stopped craving sweets entirely. The timing stuff is a big adjustment though. At least it is for me. But, you might have a different experience or get different feedback from your nutritionist. My blood sugar seems to be very sensitive to when I eat-- even more so than it is to what I eat. But maybe that's just me.

Well, I just got back. For this week, they don't want me on a special diet. Just no fruit before noon or after dinner. And I MUST eat three meals a day.

I agree - timing vs food. It is interesting what our bodies are sensitive to!

[amldaley]

Thanks for all your encouragement!

I was too scared and jerked the needle away the first time and then did it again only to learn that the meter had turned off by itself as we waited too long, so I had to do it a third time and now I am skilled at it :D

Not painful, but now my finger tips hurt after the fact --- I guess I will get used to that?

My doctor wants me to be between 90-120 1 1/2 hours - 2 hours after eating. I have read elsewhere that it should be 160 - so I guess I DO have to be careful.

[egoldber]

You can alternate finger prick test sites to help alleviate discomfort.

If it gets to be a big issue, there are some blood glucose monitoring systems that allow you to get blood from other places besides your finger tip (like a forearm or thigh) which can be less painful for some people. This is an example:

http://www.abbottdiabetescare.com/freestyle-lite-blood-glucose-monitoring-system.html

There are also alternative lancing devices that are supposed to be less painful. Here is an example:

http://www.onetouch.com/delica

[ellies mom]

This is definitely not the time to be "gentle". Prick your finger with feeling, otherwise it can kind of bounce off and you just have to do it again. The other thing that helps is to squeeze your finger with your thumb. It is kind of hard to explain but basically, you want to push on one side of your finger tip so that the rest of the fingertip is hard like a board. That helps the lancet go in better as well. Granted you are young and healthy so you should be a decent "bleeder" but you never know. I was trying to run a capillary lipid panel on a young guy this weekend and I couldn't get blood out of his finger to save my life. Warm hands also help.

[mommylamb]

I'm supposed to be under 90 at the fasting time and then under 120 when I test 2 hours after each meal. So far, I'm always under 120 after lunch and dinner (except when I mess up and eat a leisurely dinner like I did the first couple nights), I'm either just under or just over 120 after breakfast, but I have not been below 90 at fasting time, not even once.

[amldaley]

This is definitely not the time to be "gentle". Prick your finger with feeling, otherwise it can kind of bounce off and you just have to do it again. The other thing that helps is to squeeze your finger with your thumb. It is kind of hard to explain but basically, you want to push on one side of your finger tip so that the rest of the fingertip is hard like a board. That helps the lancet go in better as well. Granted you are young and healthy so you should be a decent "bleeder" but you never know. I was trying to run a capillary lipid panel on a young guy this weekend and I couldn't get blood out of his finger to save my life. Warm hands also help.

Yeah - I just did it again and found that bracing my finger against the desk or table was better as it did not allow me to pull away. Thanks for the other tips!

[amldaley]

You can alternate finger prick test sites to help alleviate discomfort.

If it gets to be a big issue, there are some blood glucose monitoring systems that allow you to get blood from other places besides your finger tip (like a forearm or thigh) which can be less painful for some people. This is an example:

http://www.abbottdiabetescare.com/freestyle-lite-blood-glucose-monitoring-system.html

There are also alternative lancing devices that are supposed to be less painful. Here is an example:

http://www.onetouch.com/delica


Def. alternating fingers! I did the first three pokes in one finger at the Dr's office and I won't be doing THAT again!

[amldaley]

I'm supposed to be under 90 at the fasting time and then under 120 when I test 2 hours after each meal. So far, I'm always under 120 after lunch and dinner (except when I mess up and eat a leisurely dinner like I did the first couple nights), I'm either just under or just over 120 after breakfast, but I have not been below 90 at fasting time, not even once.

I was at 98 in the office today and had eaten 2 slices of toast and an egg white almost 4 hours earlier. I am now 159 after lunch testing. YIKES!

[mommylamb]

I was at 98 in the office today and had eaten 2 slices of toast and an egg white almost 4 hours earlier. I am now 159 after lunch testing. YIKES!

How long after your lunch did you test, and what did you eat? I swear-- and I hate to say this because I'm not an exercise fan-- activity makes a huge huge difference. After dinner, I walk up and down my stairs 6 or 7 times (it's a 3 floor town house, so it's 2 flights each time), and that helps me a lot. After lunch I go for a short walk. Today it was raining, so I went to the train station near my office and just did laps inside.

[amldaley]

How long after your lunch did you test, and what did you eat? I swear-- and I hate to say this because I'm not an exercise fan-- activity makes a huge huge difference. After dinner, I walk up and down my stairs 6 or 7 times (it's a 3 floor town house, so it's 2 flights each time), and that helps me a lot. After lunch I go for a short walk. Today it was raining, so I went to the train station near my office and just did laps inside.

2 hours after lunch. They told me I really need to up the protein, so I ate a small Arbys sandwhich, no sauce. 3 onion rings. This is NOT fun as a vegetarian! I thought I was going to lose it eating the sandwhich. I had to stop somewhere between the Dr's and my office and Arby's, Bojangles & Wendy's were my choices.

I have majorly swollen legs and DH is not here to help with DD so fast walking is not likely going to happen. I have really bad asthma so stairs are certainly not going to happen. I will see if I can try to adjust my work schedule to start walking at lunch, I just won't be able to do it every day. That is likely the only place I can squeeze it in.

Last night, I had a plain baked potato with 1 TB margarine and 1 TB sour cream. Blood sugar was 178 2 hours later! Had cheese as the required "before bed snack" and tested 9.5 hours later...115. After 9.5 hours??!! I HAVE to get this figured out as I do NOT want to go on insulin shots!!!!!!!!!!!

[pb&j]

Personally, I really, really hated the finger stick, and got a meter that allowed me to test from my forearm. Much easier for me. FTR, I have no fear of needles and a high pain tolerance, but for whatever reason, the fingertip thing bothered the crap out of me.

I found that if you do the stick not in the center, but off to the side of your fingertip, it doesn't hurt as much during or after. And alternate fingers/hands.

[mommylamb]

2 hours after lunch. They told me I really need to up the protein, so I ate a small Arbys sandwhich, no sauce. 3 onion rings. This is NOT fun as a vegetarian! I thought I was going to lose it eating the sandwhich. I had to stop somewhere between the Dr's and my office and Arby's, Bojangles & Wendy's were my choices.

I have majorly swollen legs and DH is not here to help with DD so fast walking is not likely going to happen. I have really bad asthma so stairs are certainly not going to happen. I will see if I can try to adjust my work schedule to start walking at lunch, I just won't be able to do it every day. That is likely the only place I can squeeze it in.

Last night, I had a plain baked potato with 1 TB margarine and 1 TB sour cream. Blood sugar was 178 2 hours later! Had cheese as the required "before bed snack" and tested 9.5 hours later...115. After 9.5 hours??!! I HAVE to get this figured out as I do NOT want to go on insulin shots!!!!!!!!!!!

I've got this book to help me keep track of the carbs in things: http://www.amazon.com/CalorieKing-Calorie-Carbohydrate-Counter-2012/dp/1930448368/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1323267619&sr=8-1

According to the book, a 7 oz baked potato is 42 carbs on its own. 7 oz, is not a very big baked potato. I'm borrowing a food scale and measuring everything. To give you an example, the apple I brought to work for a snack today about 7 oz (I weighed it this morning and I probably won't eat the whole thing), so your potato was likely bigger than that. My dinner carb allotment is 56-65 carbs, so you might have been in that range regardless, but you didn't have protein at the same time. The protein helps with the absorption of the glucose (or so I'm told). Also, that range is based on my pre-pregnancy weight and age, so who knows what it is for you.

I will admit that I never get up as far as the range I've been given for dinner carbs though. I'm usually in the 40s. Last night I had some white meat roasted chicken, kale, 2/3 cup of quinoa, which is 36 carbs, and 1/2 cup of sugar-free chocolate pudding made with whole milk, which is 13 carbs, for a total of 49 carbs for my dinner. FTR, my dietician said not to even bother trying to count carbs in green leafy veggies, even though they do have a minimal amount, so I didn't even look up the kale. It was actually a lot of food and I felt really full, but my blood sugar was just 107 (though I did do the stairs after dinner).

I have a much harder time in the mornings for the fasting level and the after breakfast test. I've never had a fasting level under 90 in the week I've been doing this. So, your 115 level is about where I am every day. I think if I go on meds, it will be because of that. The dietician told me that the main driver of the fasting level is just your hormones, and while eating the before bed snack helps, it doesn't necessarily help enough.

I'm sure this must be much harder for you as a vegetarian than it is for me. Beans are good though. 1/2 a cup of canned pinto beans are just 19 carbs, and they've got a lot of fiber and protein in them. I can't seem to find tofu in that book, so I don't know how much that is without looking at a package. And, I totally get the difficulty of fitting in the exercise. My DH is here, and my DS is older than your DD anyway, so it's not as big of a deal for me to do the stairs in my house for a little while after dinner. And so far I haven't swelled up at all. I'm worried about getting the exercise in as I get closer to my due date. Just over 9 weeks to go.

[mommylamb]

amldaley- Another thing you might want to think about is the kind of soap you're using. Maybe that's why you got such a whacked out reading after dinner yesterday. They told me not to use and scented soaps or lotions. Over the weekend, I needed to do my after breakfast check and I wasn't at a place where I could wash my hands (had to do it in the car) so I used purell. Well, I got a 190 reading. Rushed home and washed my hands and retested and it was 121. Turns out the purell I had in the car was lemon scented, and I'm pretty sure it totally messed up that reading.

[amldaley]

I've got this book to help me keep track of the carbs in things: http://www.amazon.com/CalorieKing-Calorie-Carbohydrate-Counter-2012/dp/1930448368/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1323267619&sr=8-1

According to the book, a 7 oz baked potato is 42 carbs on its own. 7 oz, is not a very big baked potato. I'm borrowing a food scale and measuring everything. To give you an example, the apple I brought to work for a snack today about 7 oz (I weighed it this morning and I probably won't eat the whole thing), so your potato was likely bigger than that. My dinner carb allotment is 56-65 carbs, so you might have been in that range regardless, but you didn't have protein at the same time. The protein helps with the absorption of the glucose (or so I'm told). Also, that range is based on my pre-pregnancy weight and age, so who knows what it is for you.

I will admit that I never get up as far as the range I've been given for dinner carbs though. I'm usually in the 40s. Last night I had some white meat roasted chicken, kale, 2/3 cup of quinoa, which is 36 carbs, and 1/2 cup of sugar-free chocolate pudding made with whole milk, which is 13 carbs, for a total of 49 carbs for my dinner. FTR, my dietician said not to even bother trying to count carbs in green leafy veggies, even though they do have a minimal amount, so I didn't even look up the kale. It was actually a lot of food and I felt really full, but my blood sugar was just 107 (though I did do the stairs after dinner).

I have a much harder time in the mornings for the fasting level and the after breakfast test. I've never had a fasting level under 90 in the week I've been doing this. So, your 115 level is about where I am every day. I think if I go on meds, it will be because of that. The dietician told me that the main driver of the fasting level is just your hormones, and while eating the before bed snack helps, it doesn't necessarily help enough.

I'm sure this must be much harder for you as a vegetarian than it is for me. Beans are good though. 1/2 a cup of canned pinto beans are just 19 carbs, and they've got a lot of fiber and protein in them. I can't seem to find tofu in that book, so I don't know how much that is without looking at a package. And, I totally get the difficulty of fitting in the exercise. My DH is here, and my DS is older than your DD anyway, so it's not as big of a deal for me to do the stairs in my house for a little while after dinner. And so far I haven't swelled up at all. I'm worried about getting the exercise in as I get closer to my due date. Just over 9 weeks to go.

Thank you so much for all the details! I am going to order that book RIGHT NOW.

I did okay with breakfast - I was 121 at 100 minutes after. So I think if I had waited until 120 minutes I could have been at 120 or less. I just did cheese as a snack. I have to get to the grocery store today. I am used to doing rice or potato for dinner. I have quinoa handy so that will be dinner tonight..with some brussels sprouts. And some frozen white fish. Hopefully, DD will eat it, too! I have to do dairy free for her, so this is going to get confusing! I have 11 weeks to go...I can do anything I have to do for 11 weeks.

[amldaley]

amldaley- Another thing you might want to think about is the kind of soap you're using. Maybe that's why you got such a whacked out reading after dinner yesterday. They told me not to use and scented soaps or lotions. Over the weekend, I needed to do my after breakfast check and I wasn't at a place where I could wash my hands (had to do it in the car) so I used purell. Well, I got a 190 reading. Rushed home and washed my hands and retested and it was 121. Turns out the purell I had in the car was lemon scented, and I'm pretty sure it totally messed up that reading.

I was thinking the same thing. We don't use scented stuff, but I was using the alcohol swabs and maybe it wasn't dry all the way? They also told me not to use hand sanitizer at all. I used just plain, unscented soap and water after breakfast today.

[amldaley]

Ha! I washed with soap and water and tested exactly 2 hours post lunch and it was 84. So, a little "low" but at this rate, isn't that better than through the roof?

I had a 6" whole wheat egg and cheese sub from Subway. No meat. Healthy veggies. No dressings or mayo. I looked it up and it was 42 grams of carbs.

Now I am having yogurt with fruit as my snack...30 grams.

I WILL GET THE HANG OF THIS!

But back to that little prick...I was suddenly reminded that I have nerve damage in one of my fingers from cutting it years ago...that did NOT feel good! I will NOT be testing on THAT finger again!

[sdrew99]

Good luck! Not sure if this has been mentioned or not, but there are meters that you can use alternate site testing on your forearm.

My 5 year old is a Type 1 diabetic, so we prick his little fingers 10 times a day - he actually doesn't even feel it anymore - I can prick him while he's sleeping and he doesn't even flinch! You get callouses after awhile, but if you're only doing it for a week, hopefully it won't be so bad. I check my blood sugar every once in awhile and, boy... it does sting! Shake your hands a bit before you do it, and warm them up to get good blood flow. Also, if your fingers are sore, rub Aquaphor on them at night - that's what we do with my little guy. :)

[amldaley]

Good luck! Not sure if this has been mentioned or not, but there are meters that you can use alternate site testing on your forearm.

My 5 year old is a Type 1 diabetic, so we prick his little fingers 10 times a day - he actually doesn't even feel it anymore - I can prick him while he's sleeping and he doesn't even flinch! You get callouses after awhile, but if you're only doing it for a week, hopefully it won't be so bad. I check my blood sugar every once in awhile and, boy... it does sting! Shake your hands a bit before you do it, and warm them up to get good blood flow. Also, if your fingers are sore, rub Aquaphor on them at night - that's what we do with my little guy. :)

Awww...how can I complain when reminded there are 5 year olds out there dealing with it!!!! Thanks for the tips. I have read that winter time + use of the alcohol swabs = dry finger tips and harder to stick. Had not thought of callouses!

My insurance does not cover the forearm meter for GD. But shaking the hands is a good idea!

[egoldber]

FWIW, there are almost always deals to be had where you can get the monitor itself for free. They make their money on the testing strips. Check the weekly ads for the major drugstores. Will your insurance cover any brand test strips or only certain brands?

(I used to work for one of the major manufacturers of blood glucose monitoring systems.)

[amldaley]

FWIW, there are almost always deals to be had where you can get the monitor itself for free. They make their money on the testing strips. Check the weekly ads for the major drugstores. Will your insurance cover any brand test strips or only certain brands?

(I used to work for one of the major manufacturers of blood glucose monitoring systems.)

I get everything for free if I use the one they select. If not, I have to pay anywhere from $4-$22 per month.

I am not having too hard of a time right now with the fingers but will keep this in mind! My biggest issue is that I work in a FILTHY condemned building, so even washing my hands doesn't feel "clean". But I think I can manage for awhile!

[egoldber]

And again, FWIW, all these products are tested with the typical consumer in mind and they should all work well enough even if your hands are not that clean. :) There are some specific products that may interfere with the technology, but those should be specifically spelled out in the owner's manual.

[amldaley]

And again, FWIW, all these products are tested with the typical consumer in mind and they should all work well enough even if your hands are not that clean. :) There are some specific products that may interfere with the technology, but those should be specifically spelled out in the owner's manual.

lol....I did not even think about the cleanliness affecting the reading...though I have read that handling certain substances can affect it, etc. I thought it was about preventing infection at the stick/prick/injection site!! I am so paranoid about infection as it takes me forever to heal!

[MamaSnoo]

Just wanted to add, I think the lancing device makes a real difference. The Delica (someone else mentioned that one) is most gentle, IMO. The Accucheck Multiclix is not too bad either. Some of the other HURT!

Try testing on the sides of your finger pads in stead of tips, and rotate around.

As for keeping you BG down, when I had GDM with DD, exercise (even 20 minutes walking) made an enormous difference, and eating whole grains (even if the carb count was the same as the refined grains) helped a lot. Protein with each small meal too.

I think you mentioned that you are working....I found it easiest to pack a lunch box with all my pre-counted stuff for the day- lunch and 2 snacks. I carried everywhere I went at work and had my snack at snack time, regardless of what I was doing.

I had to test early for GDM because of my history. I was normal at 13 weeks, but will be tested again later. I am hoping that if I can exercise more consistently this time, my next 3 hr test will be normal, but I know it may not be.


Good luck!!