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infocrazy
01-11-2013, 10:51 AM
We met with the whole team after the evaluation. He actually scored very well on the testing. I did get the feeling that the tone of the meeting was that there are no issues...now. I think they still actually think there is a lang processing problem but they also noted they he thinks a bit differently. For example, which is different and why? Cow, Chicken, Alligator? The RIGHT answer is Alligator because the other ones are farm animals. DS1's answer was Alligator because it eats meat. Not WRONG, but not the expected answer. He did also show signs of a possible attention issue, but not enough for them to even discuss getting an ADD diagnosis.

However, they did note that he put his head close to the paper so I had his vision checked. The Dr said that he had a VERY minimal far sightedness issue. Not enough that glasses will dramatically improve his vision, but enough that he asked if M had attention issues. The Dr said concentration might be an issue because he had to work a little harder to see clearly which often kids don't have the desire to continue, so they tune out... DH and I don't wear glasses even so this wasn't even on my radar. So we'll try that!

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I am meeting with DS1's teacher and the school education specialist on Wed. We just want to discuss DS1 and some concerns I/teacher have to determine what if anything we need to do to help DS1. We will likely have him evaluated but no one is quite sure for what. Thoughts? Anything I should bring? Ask?

DS1 is 7 and is in second grade at a public school. Half of his class was in a 1/2 split last year and are working ahead, so although he isn't in a true split, it is sort of being treated as such. I do think his teacher is doing a good job, and honestly hope that just exposure to the other work will help him in the future.

Here are my concerns:

1. He is either on or off. At times he is very with it, is attentive, asks questions, does his work quickly and correctly. Other times, he is very dreamy, doesn't do his work, needs many reminders.

2. He "forgets" his stuff a lot, ie lost a library book (completely disappeared and I checked in his desk at school!), forgot to bring home book to study for test today, etc...

3. I need to look more into working memory. He remembers lines from books verbatim, but still calculates math facts every single time. Even for really easy ones. You can almost SEE him thinking.

4. Sometimes it is difficult to follow his line of thought. For example, they did an experiment on how much water is used when washing hands and it was set in the hypothesis/methods/result. He did everything right DOING the experiment but then his conclusion was not to water your grass too long...

5. It really doesn't seem to bother him at all that he is at the bottom of his class.

He is reading at grade level and seems to do well. They have him in remedial reading though since he is behind his class. They say it is mostly because he "robot reads" and they are mostly working on fluency.

He is not a behavior issue and if anything his teacher has to separate him from a few kids because he is TOO helpful to the other kid that he doesn't do his own stuff. He is social, has lots of friends, and is more the kid that is friends/plays with everyone v having a small "group" of buddies.

The strange part is that he has great handwriting and his grades are actually all 90+ (aside from the timed math tests).

So, long story short, any ideas?

dogmom
01-11-2013, 11:01 AM
My immediate reaction is: He is a 7 yo boy.

I don't think there is anything wrong, he sounds like a great, well adjusted kid that I would love my kid to be friends with. So he calculates his math facts every time (see my rant in the BP), can he do? Then he'll get it. Half the stuff you mentioned are the things I just laugh off and my DH and I joke about. Especially when my 50 yo DH just did something similar the day before. Is he happy? Are the teachers OK? Is he learning? Those are the questions I ask myself when I try not to obsess about my kids.

brittone2
01-11-2013, 11:07 AM
My DS1 is very perfectionistic, a good student, pretty organized, I'd say has good focus, etc. and I can totally see him doing 1 and 2, even though he's coming up on 9. We HS so they don't exactly apply to him, but I think at 7 it is normal to forget that type of thing for sure.

3 and 4 sound in the realm of typical for age to me as well.

I think 5 might be a combo of age and/or personality, but I wouldn't consider that a bad thing at age 7 either.

Obviously we may not be seeing the whole picture, and you should follow your instincts if you feel something is off. But the items above don't sound alarming to me or anything.

egoldber
01-11-2013, 11:19 AM
All of that sounds very normal to me.

JElaineB
01-11-2013, 11:21 AM
He sounds pretty normal. It sounds like he is getting additional help in math and reading, so that is good. I think some forgetfullness is to be expected. Things that we remember easily or think are important (like library books) are just not as important at that age. I agree with the PP, if he seems happy and well-adjusted I don't think you should worry too much.

squimp
01-11-2013, 11:32 AM
My DD is in third this year but 3 and 4 were very common with most of her class last year at this time. I worked with all of the kids on science projects and most of them, actually I would say over 90% of them struggled to make a logical conclusion on their own.

But from your original post, it seemed that you've set up this meeting because both you and the teacher have concerns. In the meeting I would try to find out what they think is a concern and what is reasonable for the age. The forgetfulness and spaceiness would bother me most but it does seem fairly within the range for 2nd grade. Things can ramp up in third, and I would want to make sure he's on track and see if there's anything I could do at home. Good luck with the meeting.

hillview
01-11-2013, 11:43 AM
Sounds a like like DS1. He is 7. I can see 1-3 easily. 4 maybe not. 5, I am not sure.

inmypjs
01-11-2013, 01:21 PM
He sounds like my son too (8). Honestly it sounds like he is a normal boy - just a very creative one. He definitely sounds like he has some visual spatial learner traits and gifted traits - the dreamer, the creativity, the good story memory but poor rote, empathy as shown by his helpfulness.

http://www.gifteddevelopment.com/Visual_Spatial_Learner/vsl.htm
http://visualspatial.org/index.php

Take a look at those and see if you see him in those descriptions. I am sorry because I am guessing there are people who are tired of me posting these links, it's just that I've noticed that those of us with kids with these traits tend to think there is something wrong with them, much more often than parents of audio-sequential learners. I do know the categories aren't quite this neat, but I think it's really important for us to realize that there is nothing wrong with these traits. They are just not valued by traditional school. VSLs end up with waaaay more diagnoses too, as their traits tend to be overly pathologized.

infocrazy
01-11-2013, 02:59 PM
http://www.gifteddevelopment.com/Visual_Spatial_Learner/vsl.htm
http://visualspatial.org/index.php


Very interesting. I skimmed the second one and it really seems to sound like him. I'll have to look into that more... Thanks! I'll forward it to his teacher and see what she thinks.

OK, I feel better. I just feel like there is...something there. I don't know if it is a maturity thing or if I am overthinking it or what. Add the fact that DS2 is much more like me and pretty advanced, I think it just makes DS1 stick out a bit more in his being at the bottom of the class. I am having trouble figuring out if DS1 is truly behind or if maybe DS2 is just ahead...

His teacher and I can see the same things. She isn't sure what is going on either ("it's a puzzle") and thinks it is highly likely that the specialist will think we are crazy but she just wanted to make sure that if there was something that she could do by teaching to him differently, she wants to try it.

infocrazy
03-15-2013, 10:47 AM
Bump for update in OP. DS1 needs glasses--go figure.

Sillygirl
03-15-2013, 12:25 PM
That question about Cow, chicken, Alligator?" To me your son's answer is far more sophisticated than what they're expecting. I just checked with my DS, who is 8 1/2. Our teachers tell us he's bright but he zones out at times. We semi-jokingly say he's a little bit autistic. Anyway, here's what he said:

An alligator! They don't give birth to live young or feed them milk.
No wait, chickens lay eggs.
What was the question again? No wait, crocodile!
Um, alligators are reptiles, chickens are birds, and cows are mammals.
(I explained again to pick one out of the three that doesn't belong)
Alligators! No, chickens, because they have feathers.
I give up, what's the answer?
Can I go play Angry Birds now?

So now I don't know if my son needs testing or not, but I suspect yours is fine. Hope the glasses help!

klwa
03-15-2013, 12:30 PM
For example, which is different and why? Cow, Chicken, Alligator? The RIGHT answer is Alligator because the other ones are farm animals. DS1's answer was Alligator because it eats meat. Not WRONG, but not the expected answer.

Glad they were able to determine that glasses may help!

And for that question, I was seriously thinking Alligator becasue the other two start with a C. But, then again, I don't think like normal people, either. :bouncy:

brittone2
03-15-2013, 12:35 PM
I would agree that his answer is more sophisticated. I know you said he's struggling a bit; any chance he's just really bored?

An answer like that can be something gifted children struggle with; in fact, they often recommend for private testing related to giftedness that a parent use a professional with experience working with gifted kids for that very reason. Children who are gifted may have a tough time answering because they are running through all of the possibilities, or might give answers that aren't expected; an evaluator with experience working with gifted kids is more likely to pick up on that.

That may not be what is going on, but I'd run through whether you think there's any chance he's bored with the material or not challenged at school right now, and if that could be impacting his performance?