So pissed at the CDC

[georgiegirl]

I’m so pissed at the CDC’s new crap guidance. As a result our state said no one needs to wear masks indoors anymore and no one needs to quarantine if exposed to covid. And I just got an email from our district that masks are optional starting Monday and kids don’t need to quarantine if they were exposed (no masks). So a kid can be exposed to covid at school and show up the next day without a mask and it’s all fine. What the F?!?!?!


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[mom2binsd]

It does seem like the new guidelines came out of left field. Our blue state, Illinois, has been much more restricted than you guys, and they still have a mask mandate here. My conspiracy friends feel it is to take focus of of something else the government has cooking up!

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[gatorsmom]

It does seem like the new guidelines came out of left field. Our blue state, Illinois, has been much more restricted than you guys, and they still have a mask mandate here. My conspiracy friends feel it is to take focus of of something else the government has cooking up!

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Ive heard this too. Dh who is primarily a fiscal conservative above all else (and a former petroleum engineer), feels that the new mask rules are to take attention away from the fact that there is no gasoline on the east coast. He says that because the Biden administration stopped all pipeline production, there is no safe secondary way to get gasoline to the east coast states. Apparently the Biden administration admitted begrudgingly just a day again that yes, pipelines are the safest way to get gasoline to the public. It’s a big mistake and the “good news” about the new mask rules should draw attention away from the gasoline mess. He says if this had happened under Trump’s watch, everyone would have blamed Trump for all the mess.

Except the new mask rules are NOT good news for the most vulnerable members of society.

[twowhat?]

I agree. The CDC's guidelines were super premature. They may be based on science but wow does the CDC not understand public mentality. OF COURSE this means people who aren't fully vaccinated and never plan to be are gonna throw away their masks!!!

I'm super disappointed, Costco. I'm so angry for those of you who can't get vaccinated or have children who aren't old enough. Just ugh.

You and me both sister! I am so upset. But I also think that the CDC said no masks for fully vaccinated people in most situations, so I think states and schools are not hearing that part of it.

I think they ARE hearing that part and are choosing to ignore it. In part because there's no easy and reliable way to prove who is fully vaccinated and who is not. This crumbling of the honor system is just another thing to add to my list of why I have lost faith in humanity. And those of you who say your elementary schools are using this as an "excuse" to ditch masks for the rest of the school year?? O.M.G.

[specialp]

Ive heard this too. Dh who is primarily a fiscal conservative above all else (and a former petroleum engineer), feels that the new mask rules are to take attention away from the fact that there is no gasoline on the east coast. He says that because the Biden administration stopped all pipeline production, there is no safe secondary way to get gasoline to the east coast states. Apparently the Biden administration admitted begrudgingly just a day again that yes, pipelines are the safest way to get gasoline to the public. It’s a big mistake and the “good news” about the new mask rules should draw attention away from the gasoline mess. He says if this had happened under Trump’s watch, everyone would have blamed Trump for all the mess.

Except the new mask rules are NOT good news for the most vulnerable members of society.

I think this is regarding DOE Secretary Jennifer Granholm 5/11 presser which I watched in real time and one particular news outlet isolated that statement and ran with it, but I personally didn’t take how and what she said the same way. The scope of the question and answer was much more limited to this particular and acute emergency than the headline suggested. You can watch at (min. 19) for that quote and the follow up question she answers next is certainly as important https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyL-kpeAOCw.

It does seem like the new guidelines came out of left field. Our blue state, Illinois, has been much more restricted than you guys, and they still have a mask mandate here. My conspiracy friends feel it is to take focus of of something else the government has cooking up!

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The gas was a big blip in an overall bad news week for the WH starting with the jobs report. GOP blames it on unemployment benefits and WH blames it on a combination of people being fearful to work in a pandemic, not having schools fully open, unfair wages in private sector, and expected ebbs and flow of a recovering economy. But bottom line no matter where you lay the blame: They want a better jobs report and to do that means getting people to work. Two weeks ago, a yougov poll showed 54% of vaccinated people were concerned about getting covid. So while some think this will go a long way to encouraging people to get a vaccine (it won’t), I think a broader message was to those who are vaccinated that you are safe. Now go to work. Kids <12 aren’t apart of jobs numbers (directly, at least) and they already relaxed those school and childcare guidelines. The fact that so many corporations, including ones who were otherwise leaders in mask mandate adherence and who also seem to be struggling with hiring workers, jumped immediately to drop their mask mandates makes me suspect a lot of pressure re: one word: jobs.

But that’s my crazy conspiracy theory because the WH has denied having any push or pull over the CDC and they were just as surprised as anyone.
Something like this coming from the CDC looks odd given the CDC’s position just a mere 2 weeks ago. (Interesting opinion piece on that here and how there was nothing new scientifically in a 2 weeks time frame to justify such a whiplash inducing shift. https://www.medpagetoday.com/infecti...hUJIsdt3HvfrME ) Given the collective BAM! of hundreds of virologists' and epidemiologists' jaws hitting the floor in shock, it’s difficult to see it as anything other than political.

[Kindra178]

Ive heard this too. Dh who is primarily a fiscal conservative above all else (and a former petroleum engineer), feels that the new mask rules are to take attention away from the fact that there is no gasoline on the east coast. He says that because the Biden administration stopped all pipeline production, there is no safe secondary way to get gasoline to the east coast states. Apparently the Biden administration admitted begrudgingly just a day again that yes, pipelines are the safest way to get gasoline to the public. It’s a big mistake and the “good news” about the new mask rules should draw attention away from the gasoline mess. He says if this had happened under Trump’s watch, everyone would have blamed Trump for all the mess.

Except the new mask rules are NOT good news for the most vulnerable members of society.

I just don’t think this is it. I think it has more has to do with Collins et al from the hearing early last week. We can’t go from get vaxed, it’s super protective yet you still have to pretend you aren’t vaxed. Get vaxed and your life goes back to near normal.


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[hwin708]

I just don’t think this is it. I think it has more has to do with Collins et al from the hearing early last week. We can’t go from get vaxed, it’s super protective yet you still have to pretend you aren’t vaxed. Get vaxed and your life goes back to near normal.

Agreed.

The CDC has been facing a lot of pushback - particularly FROM anti-maskers and vaccine-deniers - who say that if the vaccines really work, we wouldn't still have these restrictions. When the truth is that we continue to have these restrictions because the vaccines DO work and not enough people are getting them.

At a certain point, I think the CDC's job is to be honest about the science. They knew the vaccines were incredibly effective. Every day, more studies come out proving that. What they did not know, for certain, was how effective the vaccines were at preventing asymptomatic spread. And the recent studies show that they are, like vaccines typically are, extremely effective in that regard too. A vaccinated person who still gets infected with COVID is likely to have such a low viral load that they cannot spread the disease to others.

It is the CDC's job to make the recommendations based on what the science shows, not how radical state politicians will use this to appeal to a rabid anti-mask base. The CDC is being honest with the science when they say that vaccinated people should be very safe, both for themselves and others around them, without a mask. I think they delayed as long as they could specifically because of those more political issues, and the concerns that the anti-vaxxers would lead to another outbreak of a vaccine-resistant variant. But now the studies are showing that the vaccines are EXTREMELY effective in protecting against the variants as well. At a certain point, the CDC has to deal in the science, not in trying to control a science-resistant political party.

Even before this, many states have loosened their mask mandates. Most states were offering little enforcement of their mask mandates. The anti-maskers were flouting the rules already. This really does not change much for those people.

What I do think this does is offers another strong defense of the effectiveness of the vaccines, and hopefully offers some appeal to people who were still holding out on getting the vaccine. I have been volunteering with vaccine distribution since the very start, and like pretty much everywhere else, we now have way more supply than demand. We went from events vaccinating hundreds to canvassing the streets, trying to get 20 people that day. This past week, we had our most successful vaccination event in ages, with roughly 150 vaccinated. Some of that was landing in just the right community. But we were definitely getting feedback from this population that they didn't want to get the vaccine, but they knew they needed to just get it over with. Like they had accepted this was something they just had to do, like any other distasteful necessary task. This isn't a population that strictly follows the news, but I do think the messaging on vaccine effectiveness is spreading to some of the hesitant. By which I mean hesitant, not crazy conspiracy Gates-chip crowd.

I know this still leaves our youngest at risk, and it is scary. But I am also not sure, based on the science, that it puts them MORE at risk. At this point, given that they have to wait for vaccine approval, what seems best for them would be anything and everything that convinces more adults to get vaccinated. And I personally think this helps.

I have no idea where people would get the idea to tie this to conspiracies about the pipelines, but a quick glance at the news would tell you that only the worst PR director in history would think that wouldn't still get ample news coverage. Because it absolutely did, enough to freak people out into gas hoarding, which then led to the very gas shortage we could have easily avoided.

[frugalmom]

I’m so pissed at the CDC’s new crap guidance. As a result our state said no one needs to wear masks indoors anymore and no one needs to quarantine if exposed to covid. And I just got an email from our district that masks are optional starting Monday and kids don’t need to quarantine if they were exposed (no masks). What the F?!?!?!


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You and me both sister! I am so upset. But I also think that the CDC said no masks for fully vaccinated people in most situations, so I think states and schools are not hearing that part of it.

[Globetrotter]

Since when do people understand rules and nuance? After a year of this, I think we should have known by now that it would be a free for all in areas like OPs. So sorry to hear that..

[AngB]

I am sorry. I am expecting an email the day after DS2 gets out of 'modified' quarantine next week- after missing a week of soccer and swimming because unlike most in our area we are following the quarantine rules- that our schools will decide not to quarantine anymore for the remainder of the year. They say they will require masks still but I'm not holding my breath on that.

Can someone please start a petition to require masks still for unvaccinated kids? I've had like 3 "friends" on FB share them already including one that's a former teacher and one that works in healthcare so that's great.