"House GOP Wants To Use Tax Code To Curb Abortions"

[gatorsmom]

a woman deserves to choose if they want to change thier life or not.

It's unfortunate that the baby doesn't have a say in the matter.

[JBaxter]

It's unfortunate that the baby doesn't have a say in the matter.

So true.... So very true.

[fortato]

It's unfortunate that the baby doesn't have a say in the matter.

And it's unfortunate that I have to live with the guilt that I terminated a life that didn't have a chance. I don't need people making me feel worse about it.
and it's also unfortunate that people like you want to make decisions about what was right for ME.
I wouldn't dare try to make circumcisions mandatory, and I wouldn't rally to make vaccinations mandatory...

Don't you even try to make me feel worse.

[MontrealMum]

I am well-read. Thanks. But I am not a Keynesian and the US is not a socialist country. Our government CREATED the current economic crisis. And as has been proven over the last few years, can't spend it's way out of it.

The continued assertion that Canada is a socialist country aside...mind you, that's getting to be quite the worn out aphorism. I assure you, capitalism is alive and well here and we are looking much more interesting to companies due to the US' troubles...what exactly is your solution, then? The US and its citizens are facing serious economic problems. So, what's the solution? How would you solve the crisis of people unable to find jobs, unable to afford medications/rent/mortgages, and generally being unable to make ends meet? I'm not being snarky...I'm curious.

I hear a lot of criticism out there, but I don't hear a lot of workable solutions. Or those of us who aren't underwater with our homes, who aren't burdened with huge, gas-guzzling cars, and who don't live in areas of high unemployment...should we just put our heads down and be happy that we're not affected? Because that's not what I'm hearing from the majority of people in this thread, whatever side they're on regarding this proposal and the issue of abortion.

I think that Daisymommy had some great points above, as did Gatorsmom, regarding planned parenthood, women's health services, and volunteerism. But I'm really not hearing a whole heck of a lot of this sort of thing amidst the constant criticism and disparagement that makes it to the media.

Having an informed opinion is great, but there's really no point in criticising something, or pointing blame over and over without any sort of workable solutions or goals. How else are we to move forward?

[mctlaw]

THANK YOU!

Until you are in the situation of a woman who is facing an unwanted pregnancy you have NO idea how you would truely feel or what course of action is right for you and its none of your business what any other woman does in that moment of her life. Like I said before NO ONE WANTS TO HAVE AN ABORTION. No one wants to be in the place they have to make such a hard decision and face actually doing it. But unplanned pregnancies happen, even when birth control is used, and a woman deserves to choose if they want to change thier life or not. Even if its illegal there will be women desperate to abort. Its a fact. Its history.

And it's unfortunate that I have to live with the guilt that I terminated a life that didn't have a chance. I don't need people making me feel worse about it.
and it's also unfortunate that people like you want to make decisions about what was right for ME.
I wouldn't dare try to make circumcisions mandatory, and I wouldn't rally to make vaccinations mandatory...

Don't you even try to make me feel worse.

I'm trying staying out of the debate because I'm afraid I can't do it in the rational manner in which I am accustomed to arguing, but I want to support you brave women who are up front about having made these gut wrenching decisions. I am sure you made the right decision for your physical or emotional health, at the time you made the decision. I agree that you shouldn't judge unless you've been there.

Now, any wagers on how long til this thread gets locked?

[mommylamb]

Do you have any statistics on the number of Prolife advocates who are also anti-contraception? I'm not accusing YOU of anything here and I'm saying this in the gentlest, most nonconfrontational voice I have. I have heard liberals try to scare people by saying that if the Conservatives had their way they would outlaw all contraception, reproductive technology, etc. Even if abortion WERE overturned and made illegal, the odds of the right also outlawing contraception is about as likely as the left forcing people to be "aged-out" at 85 to reduce their carbon footprints and save the environment.

I don't think anyone is saying that everyone who is anti-choice (or anti-option, that's fine by me) is anti-contraception. But for every anti-option person who wants to take away another woman's right to choose, there is another anti-option person who wants to take away a woman's right to plan her family through contraception. And there are others who oppose masterbation because they think it's wrong too.

This is true. The Hyde Ammendment has prohibited the use of federal funds for abortions since 1976. The federal government provides some funds to PP, but those funds are NOT used for abortions. They are used for other health services, such as STD screening, prenatal care, annual exams and mammograms. A surprising number of low and moderate income women who have Medicaid or no insurance at all use PP for ALL of their healthcare. For that reason, a ban on all federal funding for PP would be devastating.

exactly. It comes back to the money if fungible argument. What about a woman who pays for an abortion totally out of her own pocket, without an HSA, but receives some other government subsidy. Let's say this woman is a "family farmer" to use a darling of the right, and she gets agriculture subsidies (chosen so as not to rile those who think we should get rid of typical safety net programs). Did that subsidy allow her to spend her other money elsewhere to get an abortion? When do you draw the line?

Until you've walked in the shoes of a woman that has had to have an abortion- whether it be medically necessary or not- you should shut your mouth. If you are against abortion, fine...don't get one. Don't you DARE take away my right to do what I feel or felt was right for me at the moment.

Agreed.

[fortato]

Now, any wagers on how long til this thread gets locked?

I hope it's soon... it's the same argument over and over and over. One side tries to bully the other side into thinking they are right.

No one is right in this argument. Be done with it and move on.

[JBaxter]

Abortion , Vaccines and Politics. You KNOW when you see anything in the title its not going to end well. I wonder why posters even start the thread sometimes. Views will not change.

[Kymberley]

Did you know that 60% of African-American pregnancies in NYC are aborted? Looks like Planned parenthood, sex ed, free condoms and all that jazz really work, huh?

Now, that said, the ONLY time I see abortion as an option for the mother is if a LIFE is in danger- whether it be hers or the baby's. The 2 PPs living with these realities have my sympathies.

[dogmom]

Haven't you read the news? Those hackjobs are still around. I posted this link before but in case you missed it: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0..._n_810976.html

I thought the purpose of legalizing abortion was so that this kind of travesty didn't happen.

For the most part it did. Respectfully, you are not old enough to remember what it was like. I only remember the whispered things in between adults when I was young. Someone I used to work with told me the story about her roommate that found herself pregnant. She was a nurse, so she managed to find someone sort of clean and trained to terminate the pregnancy, kill the baby, whatever you want to say. She wound up with complications and bleeding, she had to take her roommate to the hospital across town. She would not give her roommates real name because she would be fired and lose her ability to practice as a nurse. The police kept my friend for 24 hours, threatening to throw her in jail if she didn't give the roommates real name.

A mentor of mine was in charge of the biggest L&D unit in my state for years. She was married to an OB. She cherised the children she helped delivery. Her favorite thing was picking out the going home outfits to bring the newborn adopted babies down to their parents for the first time. She was utterly and completely pro-choice because she just did not believe it was a choice anyone could make for another woman. After one political discussion about the topic she said, "This is why I always keep a D&C kit in my house, just in case things change."

The problem with this argument, debate, thread, whatever, is this is a topic that defies compromise. If you truly believe that this is killing and human being you really have no choice but to be against it. I do not believe you can force a woman to continue with the risk of a pregancy if she doesn't want to because I do not think a baby in utero is the same as a newborn. So I don't expect you to change your mind, or not post. But don't expect me to agree with you or acknowledge your points are valid just to be civil, I don't expect you to.